Brian M. Scott wrote:
> At 1:22:41 PM on Wednesday, May 18, 2005, alex wrote:
>
>> 1) is the German "au" from anything else as an older "u"?
>> (latin murus > mauer, durare > dauer, IE *suru >sauer, etc)
>
> I believe that it can arise from Gmc. *au: <glauben>, Gothic
> <gal�ubjan>; Laub < *laubaz.
so, there are two posiblities: from "au" and "u".
>
>> 1) any idea when the "u" > "au" in German stoped as phenomenon?
>
> The diphthongization of MHG /i: u:/ to NHG /aI aU/ began in
> Austria in the 12th century and spread north and west
> through much of Upper and Middle German.
[...]
> Brian
First of all, thank you Brian. Now, the period of "begining" was 12
Century in Noricum. The change of "c^" of foreign words in "s" happened
too around the same period of time (I guess). My question here was
arrised by the name of the city Klausburg which in my opinion is of
Slavic origin and was enterinng the language of the Germans in
Transilvania where it was added the tipical German "burg". I suspect the
word which was there in Slavic was simply "key" , aka "cluc^" which
should give a regular Germanic "Klaus". Because of the "s" there,
Hungarian got the name of the city direct from Germans, not from Slavs.
The Hungarian "Kolozs" appears to be a directly loan from German bu tI
am not very sure if from "Klus" or from an already "Klaus". The rest of
the word ( the name of the city is Kolozsvar) appears to be a calques
after german since var= burg, thus Kluas+burg= Kolos+var
Thank you for your inormation.
Alex
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