Re: [tied] PIE Ud-

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "A." <xthanex@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-

language@...>

> wrote:
> > Aydan,
> >
> > Ur- would not designate you.
> >
> > Urahnen would designate them.
> >
> > Patrick
>
>
> Patrick,
>
> So Ud- means "out"
> And Ur developed its meaning as "original" not because it refers

to

> the subject (say the child) that which came out of the

original....

> but rather it refers to the core object (the parent) from which

the

> child originated?
> Is that what you are suggesting?
>
> So then my impression of Uz- as meaning "that which is out" (or

some

> such) is incorrect, and a more appropriate meaning would be "that
> from which things come out" or "that from which things derive"...
> hence "original"?
>

I read somewhere long time ago that all the German words with Ur-
were influenced by the word 'Ursprung' "origin", which in itself
transparently means a springing-out-of (a calque on Latin 'origo').


Torsten