Re: The Vlach Connection

From: george knysh
Message: 37631
Date: 2005-05-05

--- tolgs001 <st-george@...> wrote:

the oldest *preserved* Hung. chroniclers,
> i.e.,
> a king B�la's notary, the anonymous "magister P.",
> (around
> 1200), and Simon of K�za (around 1270-80) mention
> the
> presence of the Vlachs in Transylvania, i.e. in
> eastern
> Hungary, which is about 250-300 km East of the
> Danube
> segment that crosses Hungary N-S through Aquincum
> i.e. Buda & Pest. Both Hung. chroniclers based their
> accounts on internal royal sources which are lost.

*****GK: In effect all we have here are statements
made in ca. 1200 and ca. 1275. The less said about
"lost internal royal sources" the better. The
Hungarian royals had very close contacts with their
Rus' counterparts in the 12th and 13th centuries (both
friendly and hostile). I for one am fairly certain
that the Anonymous' account of "the siege of Kyiv" by
the Arpadians is borrowed from a misunderstood passage
in the Kyivan Chronicle (repeated in the Suzdalian
Chronicle) s.a. 898, which itself is only a brief
commentary about the name of a Kyivan hill... And so,
I would think that a development of the Suzdalian
garble of the Kyivan information about the conflict
between the "White Ugrians" and the "Vlachs" (redated
to 898 from the original undated Kyivan text about
Avar times) is a more likely explanation of the
Hungarian Chronicles' Transylvania stories than lost
royal archives. "More likely" does not mean
"convincingly proved", naturally.******

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