> --- alex <alxmoeller@...> wrote:because begining qith 976 they appear now with regularity in the
>> I agree with you that from the testimonies we have
>> we can considerate as
>> sure the time of IX-XII century as being the time
>> they begin to spread.
>> This "spreading" is not only in the north (due their
>> location today) but
>> in south too. Is the same time (XI century) the
>> bizantins reamarque them
>> as infiltrating South of Danube (see Kekaumenos).
> ****GK: Why do you say "infiltrating"? Kekaumenos
> merely notes them as present, as far as I remember.***
> *****GK: The Hungarians also attacked South beforeSouth, but not east; I mean here the Thisa Valey, the region where even
> their defeat by Otto. *****
>but they noticed it 3 centuries later?
> *****GK: This is where we differ. The Kyivan Chronicle
> accepts the continuity of the Vlach presence in
> Bulgaria, but denies it in Hungary, suggesting that
> they were expelled in Avar times (around 610/630). Of
> course at that point Byzantine power collapsed as far
> south as Greece, so they would not have noticed
> "infiltrators" in more northern areas other than the
> major players.*****