Re: [tied] Bakkhos etymology

From: david_russell_watson
Message: 37339
Date: 2005-04-25

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
>
> I don't try to equate Janus and Jove

Then what was intended by "Jovis (Janus)"? Most
people reading that would assume that you believe
'Janus' another name for 'Jove'.

> and I don't negate the Janus as being the good of portals. I just
> suggest Januarius _was not_ the first month of the year in the
> ancient calendar but the 11-th month.

That's not just your suggestion, but a known fact.
In fact the older calendar strangely had only ten
months until Januarius and Februarius were added
later on, supposedly by king Numa Pompilius. So we
should expect the names of the two new months to
have come from the Latin language of that time.

> The name of the month is best represented in the Mycean *enuwaliyos

Assuming that you intend 'Mycenaean' with "Mycean",
why should we prefer this Greek etymology to the
Latin one based on 'Janus'? How did Pompilius come
by this Greek word, and why would he use Greek in
preference to his own Latin when naming a month?
Did contemporary Greeks use a superior twelve-month
calendar upon whose example the Romans decided to
remodel their own, borrowing a Greek name for one
of the new months in the process?

Why do you put an asterisk in front of 'enuwaliyos'
anyway? What's your source for this word and what's
it actually supposed to mean?

More to the point though, what has 'enuwaliyos' to
do, in either form or meaning, with 'Dionysos'?
You at first claimed that 'January' was based upon
the name of Dionysos, rather than that of "Jovis
(Janus) as generaly assumed". Remember?

> I don't see any connection here with "portal" and Janus for the 11-
> th month of the year. Does someone know this connection?

The connection is to the *god* Janus, to whom king
Pompilius was supposedly dedicating the new month.

David