Re: [tied] Dissimilation of gW/kWVw to gVw/kVw

Well, you are right as far as it goes.

I emended gu-4 to g~u-4 in my online Sumerian dictionary, primarily because of Egyptian gw, a class of bull.

Was that justified? I think so because Egyptian g shows up finally in IE roots as ng/nk; a decent example is Egyptian pgg.t, toad or frog, which I think is cognate with IE *pang-, swell. It may be seen probably in East Prussian Pogge, toad or frog; and if my memory serves me, there was a village in East Prussia by the name of Poggenpuhl (NHG Pfuhl). I am aware that IE *p would normally give NHG pf. But in the former East Prussia, apparently not. Pokorny list it (Pogge) under *beu + "guttural extension".

I have found that German *gg often occurs where I would expect *ng.

And, I should have added, that *gwVw- could easily slip over into *gWVw-.

Well, let me ask this question: do you know of any IE root in the form *gWew-? There are usually several for every other IE consonant (except *ke and *w).

Patrick

----- Original Message -----

From: Miguel Carrasquer

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Sent: Monday, April 18, 2005 6:45 PM

Subject: Re: [tied] Dissimilation of gW/kWVw to gVw/kVw

On Mon, 18 Apr 2005 10:16:10 -0500, Patrick Ryan
<proto-language@...> wrote:

>First, if *gWew- were missing (as it seems to me), that would still be notable, would it not?
>
>But to answer your question directly, Sumerian g~u-4 is "ox"; the circumflex indicates an initial dorsal nasal (/ng/).

But this word doesn't have g~. It's <gud> (or <gu4>).

>A loanword is often supposed from Sumerian into IE (although I believe both had a common origin).
>
>An initial voiced dorsal nasal, regardless of the source, would have been simplified in IE to *g (*gW is an unrelated phenomenon). I can only assume that *gVwVw-, under the influence of the stress-accent, became *gwVw- (zero-grade).

But it can't be gwow- (which would have given Skt. gv-,
Slav. gv-, Balt gv-) nor *g^wow- (which would have given
Skt. jv-, Slav zv-, Balt (Lith.) z^v-).

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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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