Re: [tied] IE Pots and Pans (Was: Back to Slava)

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 36373
Date: 2005-02-17

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:25:08 +0100, Piotr Gasiorowski
<gpiotr@...> wrote:

>On 05-02-17 12:59, Miguel Carrasquer wrote:
>> Yes. Latin and Celtic have *-eh1ye- (presumably *-éh1ye-),
>> which is consistent with early thematization of full grade
>> *-éh1i-. Germanic probably reflects the same thing.
>One would expect this in statives based on thematic adjectives like
>*h1roudHe-h1-, where the thematic vowel, as usual, resists reduction, so
>that the present stem becomes *h1roudHe-h1-je- (Pol. rudziec',
>rudzieje), as opposed to the type represented by *kr.t-éh1-/*kr.t-h1-jé-
>(based on *kr.t-ú- and related to *krét-es- 'power'; the example is
>Jens's). One would expect branch-specific levelling in such cases, and
>since statives derived from thematic bases must have been more numerous
>in the non-Anatolian branches than the alternating type, the levelling
>would have been more probably in favour of the full grade.

and Jens also replied:

>But a stretch *-eh1ye- was never in doubt. That will have to be the
>form of the present stem of stative verbs derived from thematic
>adjectives, as *sén-e/o- 'old' => *sen-e-h1-ye- 'be old', aorist
>*sen-e-h1- 'become old'. In this type the stative suffix appears in
>the zero-grade (*-eh1- > *-h1-, or for that matter *-h1eh1- > *-h1h1-
> which probably sounded the same) because the thematic vowel
>precedes it. Therefore languages reflecting only *-e:-ye- may very
>well have generalized the form that was productively used with
>thematic adjectives. That would make video: analogical on albeo:.

Allright. But that was only my subsidiary objection. What
about Greek (and Balto-Slavic)?

Miguel Carrasquer Vidal