Re: [tied] Re: Various loose thoughts

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 36361
Date: 2005-02-17

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 05:46:28 +0000, pielewe
<wrvermeer@...> wrote:

>> But the PIE accent was still *dhworikós and *moldikós (and,
>> incidentally, *bhrah2trikós). The suffix *-ikós is
>> dominant, i.e stressed.
>No. Please. This is important. Within the early MAS conception of BSl
>stress assignment, which K's theory is built on, a dominant suffix
>never attracts the stress from a dominant stem. So you inevitably end
>up with *dhwórikos and *bhráh2trikos. This is a central point. The
>MAS reconstruction just does not allow for suffixes that receive the
>stress independently of the prosodic characteristics of the stem they
>are attached to.
>Mind you, I can very well imagine the MAS reconstruction breaking
>down under scrutiny, but that's a point that should be addressed
>seriously and at length. A paper that would refute the MAS conception
>of stress assignment in a credible way and put something better in
>its place would constitute a revolution. I for one would welcome it.
>But as long as that has not been done it looks to me like an
>unnecessary regression to pre-Stangian confusion.

Let me add here that I think it would be exaggerated to call
what I'm proposing a refutation of the MAS conception of BSl
stress assignment.

If we adopt Zaliznjak's notation, in my proposal there are
still roots that are [+], [->] and [-]. We still have
suffixes which are [+] and [-] (c.q. [+Re], [-Re]). The
only thing that changes is that the [->] suffixes become
optionally (and in my opinion originally) [->Min].

Note that the marker [->] can be attributed to Dybo's law,
and the attribute [Re] is due to Stang's law. There is to
my knowledge no accentological law that explains the [Min]
attribute. My suggestion is that it was inherited from PIE.
The late Common Slavic innovation, one might say a corollary
to Dybo's law, would then be to change the marking [->Min]
into plain [->], giving besides otI`cI, otIca` ([->][->Min])
[Russian, S^tokavian] the accent pattern otI`cI, o`tIca
([->][->]) [Old Russian, Bulgarian].

In Polish, we have e.g. ma,dry : me,drzec. What does that
imply for the accent?

Miguel Carrasquer Vidal