Re: [tied] The "Mother" Problem

From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 36094
Date: 2005-01-31

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From: Rob
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] The "Mother" Problem

--- In, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@......>


>   That would be my hypothesis. In addition, where it is associated
> with the meaning 'one of two', I suggest the same dervation but   
> with emphasis on the underlying idea of 'turning'

There is also a root *ter- meaning "turn", correct?  If so, do you
think that it and the *ter- "make" root have a common origin?
Yes. Take a look in Pokorny and see if you do not agree. Remember, we are thinking of primitive manufacturing methods.


That is interesting.  If you're correct, then the root nouns were
more original?  Or, perhaps, a prestage of IE had lost (most) basic
distinctions between nouns and verbs?  (Like English: 'run' can be
either a noun or a verb, depending on its syntactic usage.)

Not "lost" but rather had yet to acquire them.

I see.  The use of 'x' in my notation represents a voiceless velar
fricative /x/, which I believe was what caused (better, what
retained) the a-vocalism later on.
I strongly agree with retention rather than phonological influence.

> > Is that derived stem [*pex-t-] a frequentative?  If not, then   
> > what?
>   I will settle for Brugmann: a generally active participle which 
> can be used as an adjective or noun.

Aha.  So it's the same formant as is used in the deverbal
(collective?) adjectival formation in *-tó?  I also think that that
form is related to the so-called 't-stems', e.g. Latin sacerdo:s,
sacerdo:tis < *sakro-do:-t-s < *sak(?)-r-o-dexW-t-.  Is that what
you're saying, here, as well?

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