Re: [tied] The "Mother" Problem

From: tgpedersen
Message: 36064
Date: 2005-01-28

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
wrote:
>
> >
> > Finally, I propose that the word for "brother" comes from the
root
> > *bher- "carry": *bhr-xter-.
> Et tu?
>
> >Perhaps the older form of the word was
> > *bhrtérs "a (fellow?) carrier".
>
> Carrying what? It's someone from across the river.
>
> Could it be a ppp. *bhr.-ó-t- of a thematic extension of *bh-r-?
> (Russian has -n-: bran-).

from
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/austronesian/message/48
(Frédéric Plessis)

"
*hipaR
The striking parallel between (1) *hipaR "sibling-in-law" and (2)
*hipaR "opposite side of a river" is a strong evidence that PMP
society had moieties (*baliw). This also confirms what Blust (1980 :
226) suggested in 1980 :
"It thus seems likely that the dual divisions of Proto-Malayo-
Polynesian society were at least traditionally, if not physically,
associated with settlements on either side of a river." Blust
(1980 : 226)
Blust (R.A)
1980 "Notes on Proto-Malayo-Polynesian phratry dualism ".BKI 136 :
215-247.

(1) *hipaR "sibling-in-law (same-sex)" (Blust ACD)

Tambunan Dusun tipAg WB, HB, ZH
Labuk Kadazan ipag WB, ZH (m.s)
Makiang ipag WB, ZH (m.s)
Iban ipar SpSib, SibSp
Palawan ipag WZ, BW (m.s), HZ, HB, ZH (w.s), BW (w.s)
Lamboya ipa HZ, BW (w.s)
Keo occidental ipa WZ, WBW, BW,
Keo oriental ipa BW (m.s), WBW,

(2) *hipaR "opposite side of a river" (Blust ACD)

Mansaka dipag "other side, opposite side"
Manobo dehipag "the opposite side of a canyon or valley"
Tiruray difar "the other side, in the sense of the side facing the
speaker"
'ifar "to cross over to the other side (as of a river or street)"
se'ifar tamuk "to negotiate formally the terms of a brideprice"
Mukah dipah "opposite bank of a river"
Kayan (Baluy) dipah "opposite bank of a river"
Kelabit dipar "opposite side"
Uma Juman dipah "either of the sides of a river"

Table 1 : reflexes of *hipaR in various regions

Philippines *hipaR WZ, BW (m.s), HZ, BW (w.s) f -> f , m <-> f
Bornéo *ipaR WB , ZH (m.s) m -> m
Sumba *ipa HZ , BW (w.s) f -> f
Flores *ipaR HZ , BW (w.s) , WZ , ZH (w.s) ? f -> f , m <-> f
POC *ipa(R) HB , WB m <-> f

"


Torsten