Re: Orlog revisited

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "A." <xthanex@...> wrote:

> 2. Extended form *uds. which does exhibit some R forms (that might
> connect to "or"): a. ersatz, from Old High German irsezzan, to
> replace, from ir-, out; b. ort, from Middle Dutch oor, out; c.
> Germanic compound *uz-dailjam (see dail-); d. Ursprache, from Old
> High German ur-, out of, original. a–d all from Germanic *uz, *uz-

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> out.
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> Now, my four reasons for interpreting orlog as something other
> than "being in violation of the law":
> 1) It seems equally valid from the above definitions, to interpret
> orlog as meaning "primal laws".
> 2) If orlog carried the meaning of being in violation of the law,

I

> would think we'd find a term more similar to the Old Norse word
> utlagr, "outlawed, banished".
> But as we can see below, most (not all) of the derivatives of ud-

do

> not contain the R form (OHG and Middle Dutch being the exceptions)

If you're counting languages, as opposed to words, there's also the
English derivative _ordeal_ of *uzdailjam, along with the Old
Frisian and Old Saxon cognates _orde:l_ and _urde:li_ respectively.

Richard.