Re: Lith. Z^em. obuolas 'apple' That's IT(was: Slavic compound word

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Sergejus Tarasovas"
<s.tarasovas@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "whetex_lewx" <whetex_lewx@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Today I've phoned all my kindred from Samogitia
> > (Z^emaitija) and East Auks^taitija. There aren't any obuolas'

and

> > there have never been any obuolas' in all Baltic dialects.
>
> Come on, are you being seriuos? Your kindred don't know the word,
> so "there have never been any obuolas' in all Baltic dialects"
> and "it can be only mistake or probably falsification."? I'm not

sure

> I see any sense in continuing the discussion. If you are really
> interested, please do the following:
> 1. go to a library
> 2. follow the references in LKZ^ (mostly to the "Tarmiu, archyvas")
> 3. find the source (place, informant, dialectologist)
> 4. check.
>
> The latter depends on: whether there are any audiorecords or not,
> whether the informant is still alive etc. If there are no
> audiorecords and the informant is dead, of course one can always
> accuse a dialectologist of incompetence or dishonesty, but what if
> the word is registered many times by variuos dialectologists
> independently? Please also note that most of the dialect

descriptions

> made after the WWII were conducted by native dialect speakers
> themselves being at the same time trained linguists.
>
> In case you need assistance, you can contact the Institute of the
> Lithuanian Language (you'll find their contacts at
> http://www.lki.lt/).
>
> Sergei

Thank you for this information. I'll visit library and I'll try to
visit my village by summer time also. Maybe we'll continue
discussion in future,
veiz[i']ese:m k['a]t(u)rs k['a]tron uz^varte:[y~]s d[a:~] :)

Piotr wrote that apple was in PIE h2(a)bo:l-os. How -is in Lith. and
Latvian dialects and -e in Prussian are explainable?

Also I found "uobols" (uobol's ???) on the net here:
http://www.ziemgala.lt/z/1999_01_05.html. I beheld that the
Samogitian subdialect has -a- instead -e- (and maybe other front
vowels): dukrela (standart dukrele:, daughter), , mergela (mergele:,
girl), panela (panele:, maiden) and etc... Maybe subdialect has
feature of hardening consonants (as e becomes a in East
Auks^taitian), and everywhere PB i/e became a, maybe it's not PIE
strain (considering -is, -e in neighbouring langs and dialects).