Re: Lith. Z^em. obuolas 'apple' (was: Slavic compound words)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Sergejus Tarasovas"
<s.tarasovas@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "whetex_lewx" <whetex_lewx@...>
> wrote:
>
> > No, no, no. The natural ending in Samogitian is lost as in

Latvian.

> > Derivative of (v)uobouls is (v)uobelie~lie (apple-tree), the
> ending -
> > -ie (e:) shows derivation from soft ending. If there were

uoboulas,

> > then apple-tree would be uobela, uobelie~la.
> >
> > Obuolas could be only adjectyve. It's the same as noun kvailys

and

> > adjective kvailas (stupid), kuilys (pig) and kuilas (as a pig)

and

> a
> > lot of other lexis...
>
> Sorry, Vytautai, but I'm somehow still inclined to believe those
> Lithuanian dialectologists who registered this word in LKZ^, the

more

> especially as your arguments don't make any sense to me:

Have dialectologists registered this word in LKZ^ with ending -as?
for

> starters, obele:~le: 'apple-tree (dim.)' (Z^em. [ûobelie~le]) is

not

> a derivative of [ûobouls] -- it's a transparent diminutive

derivative

> of <obelìs> 'apple-tree'; and even if it were, how could the
> desinence of a *suffixal* derivative tell us anything about the
> desinence of the base word?

I don't know. Samogitians always pass a vowel before consonant s in
ending. Apple-tree is uobels and that says nothing about ending. The
fact is that l in uobouls and uobels is palatalized. Is this feature
marked in akademical dictionary? Palatalization always happens
before front vowel.

>
> What about reading Zinkevic^ius' introduction? You'll undoubtedly
> enjoy the book.

Thanx for trouble :) I was twice in library, but somebody has taken
the book :(. I'll try to find it again next time.

>
> Sergei