Re: Cronica di Ragusa ( it was Re: [tied] Re: Loans, Slavs, Church

From: george knysh
Message: 35771
Date: 2005-01-03

--- alex <alxmoeller@...> wrote:

> george knysh wrote:
> > --- alex <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
> >
> > about the "Cronica di Ragusa", which allegedly
> > mentions Vlachs from "Dacia" s.a. 744.
> >
> > I'm not sure that's what is meant there. S.a. 743
> we
> > read about the arrival of Vlachs (Murlachi). And
> in
> > that connection are told about their organization
> > ("fra li quali era uno capio supra tuti" (the
> Vlach
> > "Godfather"?(:=)) just kidding)
> > And then s.a. 744 we read about "homeni de Dogiu
> > Valasi". Why translate this as "Vlachian men from
> > Dacia" rather than "men of the leader ("Dogiu") of
> the
> > Vlachians"?
> For your question: why "Dux" since first it is
> called "capio".

*****GK: Be serious Alex.******

> Now let us add 1+1:
> - the Murlachi (Mauro Valachos)is the venetian
> denomination for the "Cerno
> Vlasi" (Black Vlachs). Now we know the Cerno Vlasi
> have been allways called
> the Vlachs North of Danube,

*****GK: Weren't there also "White Vlachs" there? And
in any case this dichotomy for the Vlach groups north
of the Danube is relatively late.*****

and the linguistic data
> shows us the IR (i.a.
> Maurovlaches) are descendands from DR. 1+1=?
> :-)

*****GK: I thought there was a difference between the
Maurovlachs of Dalmatia and the "Black Vlachs" of
Moldavia. And "Dogiu" seems to fit nicely with
Venetian terminology.BTW if this Ragusa chronicle is
authentic, it suggests there is a difficulty in
imagining numerically significant "leaderless" groups
of Vlachs wandering north of the Danube at the time
Nestor and Sylvester were working on their chronicle
entries. It reinforces the "complete absence" scenario
which is the first implication of the Kyivan

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