Re: [tied] Re: Walachians are placed far North the Danube in Nestor

From: george knysh
Message: 35669
Date: 2004-12-26

--- willemvermeer <wrvermeer@...> wrote:

> --- In, george knysh
> <gknysh@...> wrote:
> > GK: They [the Avars] continued to be
> mentioned in the
> > Chronicles until the 820's, and may have existed
> until
> > the end of the century . The title of their kagan
> > appears in an 871 document, and one of the
> earliest
> > areas occupied by incoming Hungarians are the
> > "solitudines Avarorum", the Transdanubian plain
> along
> > the Tysa. Perhaps only a geographical notion by
> then,
> > but perhaps not. Controlled by the Bulgars.
> I realize that, but beginning with their failed
> siege of Byzantium in
> 626 the pressure the Avars exerted on their
> neighbours became
> gradually less extreme. The wide-ranging military
> actions that were
> so characteristic of the early decades of Avar
> presence ceased almost
> completely.

*****GK: As to West and South. They were still fairly
active as to the East and North. Ukrainian
archaeologists have noted significant destruction of
settlements in Volynia as of the early 2nd half of the
7th c., and associate this with the "oppression of the
Dulibians" story of the TBY. There are indications
that Avar groups settled in Transylvania in the latter
part of the 7th c. But all this (including the setting
up of defensive "croatias" along the northern and
northeastern Carpathians) could be construed as a
retrenchment in the context of Bulgar and Khazar
pressures. The Avars maintained suzerainty over some
Bulgar tribes (probably a continuation of the old
system mentioned by 6th c. Byzantine chroniclers). It
is believed by many that the famous Krum was actually
one of these "liberated" Avar Bulgars, and that the
expansion of the Bulgar state in the early 9th century
to Transylvania and the Hungarian plains of the east
(and probably into the area of Galicia,
Transcarpathia, and part of Volynia for a time) was
the result of this "Avar" Bulgar taking over the
Bulgarian realm south of the Danube from his northern
and northwestern possessions rather than the reverse.
This certainly would have facilitated Vlach
migrations from the south as of that time.******

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