Alb. "vatër" ( it was (Re: [tied] Re: Albanian valle )

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
wrote:

> On 04-11-21 21:46, altamix wrote:
>
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Abdullah Konushevci"
> >
> >>PIE root *a:ter- 'fire' > Albanian Geg <votër>, Tosk <vatër> is
> >>regular outcome, for PIE /*a:/ yields in Albanian /o/.
> >
> >
> > it is right "a:" > "o"; that does not explain the "va-". There

is no

> > other word -so far I know- which shows an initial "va-" in

Albanian

> > and which derive from an IE root with an initial "a:"
>
> There is no such thing as "initial *a:" in PIE. This particular
> pre-Albanian *a:- (> *o- > va-/vo) derives from PIE *h2ah1- in
> *h2ah1-tr-; the a-colouring is from the root-initial *h2, and the

length

> from the root-final *h1. The combination is so rare that one can
> scarcely hope to find another example in Albanian, but,

fortunately,

> early *o- of ANY origin became Tosk va-, even in loans such as

Tosk

> varfër, Geg vorfën 'poor' <-- orphanu-, or Tosk vaj, Geg voj 'oil'

<--

> oleu-. So the <va-> is fully explained.
>
> Piotr

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I guess that also Geg <voth> Tosk <vath> `earring' could be derived
from variant suffixed form *h2ah1us-to > a:sto > voth/vath (*h2aus-

> vesh `ear'), as well as Geg <vojti>, Tosk <vajti> `he has gone'

from PIE root *h1ei- `to go'. These aorist forms are synonymic with
<shkoi> `id.' and <iku> `id.'.
I really wish to know your opinion about these derivations. Do you
find them reasonable.

Konushevci