[tied] Re: lat. nux, -cis - PIE?

From: tgpedersen
Message: 34947
Date: 2004-11-02

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...>
wrote:
> On 04-10-31 02:39, Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
>
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"
> > <alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >> Could somebody help me with the IE derivation of Latin nux,-
cis
> >>and the IE suffixes that are implied here?
> >> Especially: do we have a -k^ in the IE suffix of Latin nux?
> >> Please add also, if possible, some cognates of Latin nux and
> >
> > their
> >
> >>derivations from PIE.
> >>
> >> Thanks and Best Regards,
> >> marius
> >
> > ************
> > To Bjorvand-Lindeman (VAEO, pp.676-677) the protoform of Nor.
> > <hnot>, OE hnutu, Lat. nux, cis should be reconstrued as *knew-,
> > zero-grade form *knu- (Grim's Law *k > h). Extended form *kne-H-
> > could explain Celt. *knu:s, gen. *knuwos > OIr cnu, cno; *knu-k
> > within Lat. nux, gen. nucis. So, ital.-celt. protoform should be
> > *knuH-, where Lat. gen. nucis < *knuk-es could be explained
through
> > switch *Hs > *ks.
>
> Raimo Anttila has speculated that the Latin word might reflect
*dnuk-
> with metathesis rather than laryngeal hardening, thus being closer
to
> Germanic *xnut- < *knud- than to the Celtic forms. We have no
certain
> means of knowing whether the initial was PIE *k or *k^, since no
Satem
> language has the word.
>

There are a number of unexplained variants with N- ~ kN- for N=liquid
in Danish, example nibe/knibe "pinch", and even more in Old Norse
where the alternation is the original hN- ~ kN-

Torsten