Re[10]: [tied] aldric, luis, aldrin = etymology?

At 12:16:23 PM on Tuesday, October 26, 2004, alex wrote:

> Brian M. Scott wrote:

>>>> Yes. This is very early in terms of our knowledge of
>>>> Germanic names and naming practices.

>>> Here is what I pointed out before. An early date means
>>> the first Kings;

>> What you pointed out before is simply incorrect in the
>> overall context of Germanic onomastics.

> I am afraid I do not understand you here. I do not speak
> in "overall context of Germanic onomastic" but I just
> simple compare the non-composite names of the first Gothic
> kings comparative with these with are comming after them.
> A such sentence as yours where you say "is simply
> incorrect" would lead one to think you are just trying to
> ignore the difference which is seen between these
> names.

Not at all. My original comment had nothing to do with the
first kings. You queried my use of the term 'this early
date' in connection with some names of the 5th century or so,
if I remember correctly. I answered that query by
explaining that they are early in terms of our knowledge of
Germanic names and naming practices. This is perfectly true
and has nothing to do with the fact that there are even
older names.

I'm not sure what you're asking about those older names.
<Amal-> is a fairly common Ostrogothic and West Frankish
name theme, here as a simplex name. <Athal> is also a
straightforward simplex based on an even more common theme.
<Hisarna> looks to me as if it's kin to Gothic <eisarn>
'iron'; the same simplex name is found in the south of
France and Catalonia in the 10th century (Latinized
<Isarnus>, <Hisarnus>). <Hunuil> appears to contain the
familiar theme <Hun->; beyond that I won't guess. I have no
good ideas about <Hulmul>. I've seen a few Germanic names
in <Aug->, but only a few; I might guess at a connection
with Goth. <áugjan> 'to show'.

>>> BTW is this again a deutherotheme which will mislead one
>>> to the word mountain which in Gothic was "bairgan"?

>> It goes with Goth. <baírgan> 'to hide, preserve,
>> protect', OE <beorgan>, ON <bjarga>, modern German
>> <bergen>.

> So, not mountain but to save; thus the names in "-bargus"

What names would those be? <-berg-> is a feminine
deuterotheme.

> should be considered as "protector" or something of... I
> suspect this is just a simply "-k" extenssion of IE
> "bher-" in Germanic space, isn't it?

Watkins and Pokorny both derive it from PIE *bHerg^H-.

Brian