Re: Derivations 15 sun

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:

> Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
> >>> ************
> >>> It seems that you have right about *H1or-g^h-, a verbal root,
> > that
> >>> derives in Hitt. <ark-/arg-> 'to cover, copulate' (pres.
> > mediopass.
> >>> 3rd sing. arga, part. <arkant> 'covered'.
> >>> From this root is derived word <testicle>: nom. *H1org^his, gen.
> >>> *H1org^hé/yos, Hitt. pl. arkiyes, Gr. órkhis, Av. &r&zi, Arm.
> >>> orjik', OIr. uirgge < coll. *H1org^hiya: > Alb. <herdhe>.
> >>> Much interesting are Lituanian derivation <arzhilas> 'stallion',
> >>> that has cognate in Alb. <harm.shor> 'id.', probably drived from
> >>> *H1or-g^h-mo- > harm + suffix -shor, where three consonantal
> >>> cluster /rmsh/ was reduced to /msh/.
> >>>
> >>> Konushevci
> >>
> >> what does the "-shor" suffix in Albanian do? Which is its role?
> >>
> >> Alex
> > ************
> > Albanian suffix -shor(e) is present in both Albanian dialects and
> > has mostly diminutival function: <kup.shore> `little cup',
> > <nan.shore>, <trim.shor/trimshore> `little brave man/woman',
> > <dëndëshor/dëndëshore>, <gur katër.shor> `quadratic stone'.
> > It is very productive in patronymics: Brai.shor (surname of our
> > minister of culture), Blak.shor/ Blak.çor (ksh > kç, cf. Floçkë<
> > Flokshë), Plangçor < Plangshor, etc.
> > See also E. Çabej, Studime gjuhësore, III, Rilindja, Prishtinë,
> > 1976, p. 275.
> > P.S. According to N. Jokl it is of Romanian origin, but taking

into

> > account last example <gur katër.sh.or> it could be a conglutinate

of

> > two suffixes -sh and -or.
> > It affect even some Turkish loans <inatçor < inat.shor> `angry'
> >
> > Konushevci
> >
>
>
> this is why I asked. In Rom. The suffix "-ushor" makes too

diminutives and

> the problem of Albanian "harmshor" cannot be seen alone but

together with

> Rom. "harmãsar/armãsar" (the same aspiration here as

in "erete/herete"

> (merlin))
> We know from teh monts of the year about the suffixal

correspondance between

> Alb. suffix "-or" and Rom. suffix "-ar".
> Since in Rom. the suffix (?) in this case is "-ar" and in Alb. is "-

or" it

> appears wise to consider there is not the suffix "-shor" but "-or"
> thus, if suffixed, the word is an *harmes+or with regular change of

Alb. "s"

> to "sh".
> Just a part of the phonetic & morphologic aspect here.
> If the suffix should be "-or", then how will you analyze the

word "*harmë-"?

> :-))
>
> Alex

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Words ending in consonant usually take the locative plural ending -
su: pe:d-su > posh 'at the feet' in <për•posh> 'down',
<te•posh•të> 'downside', so the suffix -sh I see as a regular
continuant of *-su.

Konushevci