Re: [tied] Re: Derivations 15 sun

Abdullah Konushevci wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:
>>> ************
>>> It seems that you have right about *H1or-g^h-, a verbal root,
> that
>>> derives in Hitt. <ark-/arg-> 'to cover, copulate' (pres.
> mediopass.
>>> 3rd sing. arga, part. <arkant> 'covered'.
>>> From this root is derived word <testicle>: nom. *H1org^his, gen.
>>> *H1org^h�/yos, Hitt. pl. arkiyes, Gr. �rkhis, Av. &r&zi, Arm.
>>> orjik', OIr. uirgge < coll. *H1org^hiya: > Alb. <herdhe>.
>>> Much interesting are Lituanian derivation <arzhilas> 'stallion',
>>> that has cognate in Alb. <harm.shor> 'id.', probably drived from
>>> *H1or-g^h-mo- > harm + suffix -shor, where three consonantal
>>> cluster /rmsh/ was reduced to /msh/.
>>>
>>> Konushevci
>>
>> what does the "-shor" suffix in Albanian do? Which is its role?
>>
>> Alex
> ************
> Albanian suffix -shor(e) is present in both Albanian dialects and
> has mostly diminutival function: <kup.shore> `little cup',
> <nan.shore>, <trim.shor/trimshore> `little brave man/woman',
> <d�nd�shor/d�nd�shore>, <gur kat�r.shor> `quadratic stone'.
> It is very productive in patronymics: Brai.shor (surname of our
> minister of culture), Blak.shor/ Blak.�or (ksh > k�, cf. Flo�k�<
> Floksh�), Plang�or < Plangshor, etc.
> See also E. �abej, Studime gjuh�sore, III, Rilindja, Prishtin�,
> 1976, p. 275.
> P.S. According to N. Jokl it is of Romanian origin, but taking into
> account last example <gur kat�r.sh.or> it could be a conglutinate of
> two suffixes -sh and -or.
> It affect even some Turkish loans <inat�or < inat.shor> `angry'
>
> Konushevci
>

this is why I asked. In Rom. The suffix "-ushor" makes too diminutives and
the problem of Albanian "harmshor" cannot be seen alone but together with
Rom. "harm�sar/arm�sar" (the same aspiration here as in "erete/herete"
(merlin))
We know from teh monts of the year about the suffixal correspondance between
Alb. suffix "-or" and Rom. suffix "-ar".
Since in Rom. the suffix (?) in this case is "-ar" and in Alb. is "-or" it
appears wise to consider there is not the suffix "-shor" but "-or"
thus, if suffixed, the word is an *harmes+or with regular change of Alb. "s"
to "sh".
Just a part of the phonetic & morphologic aspect here.
If the suffix should be "-or", then how will you analyze the word "*harm�-"?
:-))

Alex