Re: [tied] Re: Derivations 15 sun

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 18:31:09 -0700 (PDT), Sean Whalen
<stlatos@...> wrote:

> Do you mean I should be able to account for all
>forms as resulting from one original undergoing
>optional or dialectical changes? I don't think I
>could do this. Forms with -n- might just be forms
>created after break-up by adding -nos to form a word
>easier to decline (along with "star" or analogy with
>"moon"?). I don't know much about these forms, so as
>long as they happen after the PIE time, they shouldn't
>matter to my reconstruction.
>
> Gothic has both sauil (<so:wil regularly) and
>sunno:
>
> Avestan hvar@ (<suxar after loss of x and u>w); I
>don't know enough about Avestan phonology to say if
>the schwa would be standard here (perhaps from -i to
>regularize nom.?).

According to Beekes, /-r/ is always written <-r&:>, The
underlying phonological shape is /hu'ar/ < */suh2l./

>Also, gen. hu:ro: (<suxryas). I
>don't know how to get [xv]e:ng; there's only one note
>on it in my books.

xv&:N < *swans < *sh2wens.

This is an l/n-stem, which I derive from a stem in **-ln.

The word is neuter in Indo-Iranian, and the development was:

NA *sáh2waln => *sáh2w&lr > *sáh2wl. (> *súh2l.)
G *sah2wálnas => *sh2wélns > *sh2wéns

Elsewhere, the word is animate, and we have:

N *sáh2walnz => *sáh2w&:lz > *sá:wo:l
A *sáh2walnm => *sáh2w&lnm > *sá:ulm.
G *sah2wálnas => *sh2wélns > *s(h2)wéns

Slavic has maintained the sequemce -ln- (sUlnIce <
*sh2uln-ik-os).

Another word that goes the same way is "eagle":

*h2á:raln-z > *h2óro:l
*h2á:raln-m > *h2órlm.
*h2a:ráln-as > *h2árn(o)s


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