Re: [tied] Re: Bow and arrow

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 20:37:25 +0000, andrew_and_inge
<100761.200@...> wrote:

>So how did a "p" in classical times being spoken by Celtic people,
>end up as a "ch"? I had been thinking it was via an early change
>to "k", and then on to "ch" as per High German. You seem to be
>saying that it was via "f"?

Latin captus gives Gaulish caxtos (assuming with Delamarre
that the word is not native, but taken from Latin, although
nothing changes if caxtos < PIE *kaptos). The change pt >
cht seems to be pan-Celtic, and no intermediate stage is
attested, as far as I know. It may have been pt > ft > xt,
or pt > kt > xt. I slightly prefer the first alternative.

>Of course the first Germanic shift of
>p>f had finished long before the classical writing we refer to, so
>you mean the high german shift? But would we expect High German
>Luft>Lucht? Or was that a Frankish change shared by Dutch and
>Luxemburgish? Does Luxemburgish have Luft or Lucht?

The Dutch (Lower Franconian) change ft > xt has nothing to
do with the general Germanic or High German consonant
shifts. It's an independent development, which happened
sometime in Middle Dutch.

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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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