Re: [tied] Re: IE right & 10

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 34150
Date: 2004-09-14

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:34:26 +0200, petusek
<petusek@...> wrote:

>Yes, of course. If we make a list of the Austro-Asiatic expressions for the
>numeral seven, in various branches of the super-stock, we'll get several
>candidate languages, but Semitic and Egyptian seem to be the most convincing
>ones:
>
>1. Proto-Berber *sa:h, *hissa:h
>
>South Berber
>
>1a. Tawllemmet sah/-at, ?s.s.a/-yat
>1b. Tahaggart ?ssa, ?ssa^hät
>1c. Taitoq essa, essahet
>1d. Kel-Ui essa^
>1e. Ghat sa
>
>East Berber
>
>1f. Ghadames sa, sat
>
>West Berber
>
>1g. Zenaga ?ss?h, essa:'D?T
>
>North Berber
>
>1h. Tashelhait sä? (Sus), sa/sat (Aspinion), sa/sät (Semlal), ssä/-t
>(Tazerwalt)
>1i. Tamazight sa/-t
>1j. Beni Mzab saa/-t
>
>2. Guanche
>
>2a. Gran Canaria satti
>2b. Tenerife sat (Cedeno de Chil, Marin y Cubas, Berthelot), sa/sát
>(Pseudo-Sosa)
>
>Berber and Guanche forms are sometimes thought to have arisen from something
>like *sab(?)-(a)ti- (i.e. assim. -bt- > -tt- or sim.)

If I'm not mistaken, there's a Berber soundlaw *b > 0.

>3. Proto-Semitic *sáb?-u(m) / sab?-át-u(m) (by Dolgopolsky in 1995) &
>Semitic *sab?-(at)- (problematic reconstructions) < sab?- "index (finger)
>
>3a. Akkadian m/f sebe, seba / sebet(tu) < PSe *sib?-
>(however)
>3b. Old Assyrian s^abe
>3c. Hebrew s^E'Ba / s^iB?a:
>3d. Aramaic s^?Ba? /s^iB?a^
>All three < pSe *s^ab?-
>
>4. Proto-Egyptian *safHaw (Vycichl) / *safHa.t (Loprieno)

Loprieno vocalizes *sáfXaw.

>one of many
>etymological attempts: < *sab?- + sandhi when counting in the sequence ...6,
>7, 8... (7...8 *sab?- ...*Hama:n/*Hamu:n, thus *sab?-*HamV:n- > *sabh-- >
>*safh--)
>
>etc.

I think the correspondence Sem. b ~ Eg. f is regular,
pointing to PAA *p. (glottalized/emphatic p). The
correspondence Eg. X ~ Sem. ¿ (`ayn) is also regular,
according to Schenkel (Einfuehrung in die altegyptische
Sprachwissenschaft). On the basis of Eg. and Sem., one can
reconstruct PAA *sap.G-. Semitic -at- and Eg. -aw are added
markers (-aw is the Eg. plural marker, -at- is formally
identical to the feminine marker, here singulative(?))

The Berber numbers 6-9 were most likely borrowed from
Semitic.


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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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