Re: [tied] Bader's article on *-os(y)o

On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:46:51 -0700 (PDT),
enlil@... wrote:

>> The voicing of the dual and plural markers is shared by EA, Uralic
>> and Altaic [e.g. pl. nom. *-atu > *-(a)d > Ural-Esk *-d (> Ural -t,
>> Esk. -t), Alt. *-r; pl. obl. *-ati > *-(a)d^ > EA -t(?), Ural *-j,
>> Alt *-r2].
>
>Independent developments actually. In Altaic, there was a lenition
>of *-t to *-s, an isogloss shared with IndoTyrrhenian during the
>breakup of ProtoSteppe at around 8500 BCE. IndoTyrrhenian and Altaic
>appear to share many isoglosses in fact, leading me to conclude that
>they represent the southmost dialects of the Central Asian steppeland
>while Boreal was spread across the north. The pre-Altaic *-s was
>subsequently voiced as it came to be in English and a resultant *-z
>was then rhotacized. It was sometimes palatalized by a neighbouring
>high vowel, thereby explaining the actual plural form *-r^ from *-it.

The development was in fact as I have sketched it: plural
*-atu, oblique *-ati, give pre-Chukchi-Altaic *-ad(u), *-adi

> Alt. *-(a)r, *-(a)r2, whence the plural marker Turk. -lar

and the pronominal plurals PKor. *(b)uri, Turk. *bir^, *sir^
[*mwar^, *twar^], and Chukchi nominal plural *-t/*-r- (<
*-d(-)), and pronouns muri, turi [*mwari, *twari].


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Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
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