From: Petr Hrubis
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From: "alex" <alxmoeller@...>
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 11:08 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] OCS "kriz^I"
> Petr Hrubis wrote:
> > If it helps, in most etymological dictionaries of Czech, CS kriz^I
> > (Czech kr^i:z^) is considered to be a loan from latin "crux" (ak.
> > crucem) via:
> > 1. ----North-It. "cruze" (comp. OG "kriuze", today Kreuz)----
> > [Struc^ny' etymologicky' slovni'k jazyka c^eske'ho (A Brief
> > Etymological Dictionary of the Czech Language) by Josef Holub &
> > Stanislav Lyer]
> > 2. ----simply a north-It. dialectal form, and was accepted most
> > probably in the form of *kru:z^i in the western South-Slavonic
> > dialects (Sln., Cr.), then (after the SS merging of i, y > i) it
> > spread via missionaries further to the north. Slavs.---- [C^esky'
> > etymologicky' slovni'k (Czech Etymological Dictionary) by Jir^i'
> > Rejzek]
> > 3. Similarly in Va'clav Machek's Etymological Dictionary of the
> > Language
> > Other languages: Polish krzyz, Croat kri^z^ = "Cross"
> > The Latin word meant "a curved caber", serving the crucifiction as a
> > way of execution. It is often considered to be akin to Czech krk
> > (neck) and kr^ivy' (crooked, bandy)...that is all I have found...
> This is what I was looking for, thank you Petr. The supposed
> etymologies have all the problem of "ke" > "z^" or "z" >" z^" (sonor
> "s" > consonantal "j" ) which appears to be unlike. It can be there is
> no directly connection with Latin "crucem" but the meaning of the word
> (UrSlavic or Loan from another language) was calqued later after the
> meaning of the Latin word "crucem" in its sacral form.
> Are there in Czech language or other Slavic Languages derivatives of
> "kriz^I" where we still have the "z^" there? The kr^ivy' and krk
> appearsto me to not be direct related to "kriz^I" .
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