Re: [tied] OCS "kriz^I"

From: alex
Message: 32913
Date: 2004-05-24

Petr Hrubis wrote:
> If it helps, in most etymological dictionaries of Czech, CS kriz^I
> (Czech kr^i:z^) is considered to be a loan from latin "crux" (ak.
> crucem) via:
> 1. ----North-It. "cruze" (comp. OG "kriuze", today Kreuz)----
> [Struc^ny' etymologicky' slovni'k jazyka c^eske'ho (A Brief
> Etymological Dictionary of the Czech Language) by Josef Holub &
> Stanislav Lyer]
> 2. ----simply a north-It. dialectal form, and was accepted most
> probably in the form of *kru:z^i in the western South-Slavonic
> dialects (Sln., Cr.), then (after the SS merging of i, y > i) it
> spread via missionaries further to the north. Slavs.---- [C^esky'
> etymologicky' slovni'k (Czech Etymological Dictionary) by Jir^i'
> Rejzek]
> 3. Similarly in Va'clav Machek's Etymological Dictionary of the
> Language
> Other languages: Polish krzyz, Croat kri^z^ = "Cross"
> The Latin word meant "a curved caber", serving the crucifiction as a
> way of execution. It is often considered to be akin to Czech krk
> (neck) and kr^ivy' (crooked, bandy)...that is all I have found...

This is what I was looking for, thank you Petr. The supposed
etymologies have all the problem of "ke" > "z^" or "z" >" z^" (sonor
"s" > consonantal "j" ) which appears to be unlike. It can be there is
no directly connection with Latin "crucem" but the meaning of the word
(UrSlavic or Loan from another language) was calqued later after the
meaning of the Latin word "crucem" in its sacral form.

Are there in Czech language or other Slavic Languages derivatives of
"kriz^I" where we still have the "z^" there? The kr^ivy' and krk
appearsto me to not be direct related to "kriz^I" .