From: george knysh
> > GK: Snorri says that the Vanir are "on" the*****GK: Only because you keep repeating your
> > but that the Aesir are "east" of the Don. I prefer
> > interpretation to yours, but it doesn't really
> > as to the key issue, which is, that as a matter of
> > fact, there were never any "Vanir" or "Aesir"
> > "on" or east" of the Don. This is a fantastic 13th
> > concoction which has no basis in either
> archaeology or
> > historical documentation.
> (Torsten) Yes, you keep saying that.
>*****GK: Is anyone other than yourself? I've seen no
> >You have not produced a
> > single persuasive argument to back up Snorri's
> > tale.
> (Torsten)I note that you are not persuaded.
> even*****GK: The Huns left plenty of traces in history and
> > begin to prove is the "Odin migration" story. This
> > "big event" would have left plenty of traces, not
> > a few bog swords.
> (Torsten) Like the Huns did?
>*****GK: You are hallucinating again.*****
> > > >
> > > > >When a
> > > > > people migrates it leaves signs other than
> > > > > fibulae: gravesites with specific
> > > > > settlements (sometimes).
> > > >
> > > > (Torsten) Mention some Hunnic settlements in
> > Europe.
> > >
> > > GK: The Huns were nomads. You didn't know
> > > this?
> > >
> > > (Torsten) Mention
> > > > traits about
> > > > Hunnic gravesite that allow us to identify
> them as
> > > > Turkic.
> > >
> > > GK: The point is that we do have many datable
> > > Hunnic gravesites, and a great deal of
> > > historical information which enables us to
> > > them as basically Turkic.
> > (Torsten)Let me see if I understand you here:
> > The Huns were nomads and therefore would leave few
> > traces.
> > GK: The Huns were nomads and therefore would
> > have left many "settlements"
> > (Torsten) Sarmatians would have left many traces
> > because they were not nomads?
> > GK: Sarmatians left no "settlements" either.
> > both Huns and Sarmatians left gravesites.
> > Capish?
> (GK) And the new inhumation graves in the Przeworsk
> culture that are
> associated with its suddenly becoming heterogenous,
> were "vaguely
> Sarmatian", I believe you said?
>*****GK: There is a difference between the
> > >We have no "Odin people"
> > > gravesites, and no reliable historical
> > > confirming Snorri's fanciful stories about Aesir
> > > Vanir.
> > (Torsten)It seems 'reliable' is the operative word
> > here.
> > GK: It is a good word.
> > > >
> And in the final analysis subjective.
> > GK: I'll make it simpler for you. The Almgrenreliable (which
> > fibulae cannot be used to prove that an "Odin
> > migrated from east of the Don into Central Europe,
> > because these fibulae are not ethnically specific
> > objects. They were originally manufactured in
> > Panticapaeum etc.. for "the barbarian market", and
> > they found their way into many different ethnic
> > hinterlands, Sarmatian, Germanic, Thracian,
> > Slavic. None of the actually existing gravesites
> > these fibulae were discovered can be associated
> with a
> > group that would fit the characteristics of "the
> > people".
> (Torsten) Interpretation. Since Snorri is not
> he isn't because*****GK: Thanks for proving once more that your mind
> the story he tells is not believable, which it isn't
> because Snorri
> is not reliable)
> of a migration*****GK: And just a brief reminder. The route Snorri
> from the North Pontic area into Northern Europe, and
> therefore the
> dispersal of fibulas of the same type along that
> route must be
> necessity have some other cause.