> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:Yes, you keep saying that.
> As I read Snorri, Asgard would be placed immediately
> on the eastern
> bank of the Don.
> *****GK: Snorri says that the Vanir are "on" the Don,
> but that the Aesir are "east" of the Don. I prefer my
> interpretation to yours, but it doesn't really matter
> as to the key issue, which is, that as a matter of
> fact, there were never any "Vanir" or "Aesir" either
> "on" or east" of the Don. This is a fantastic 13th c.
> concoction which has no basis in either archaeology or
> historical documentation.
>You have not produced aI note that you are not persuaded.
> single persuasive argument to back up Snorri's
>Weapons as war booty? The Germani didn't do that. They sacrificed
> *****GK: They could have been brought north by
> warriors who fought on the Danube, as war booty.
>TheyBy "associates" I assume you mean that they had become so by cell
> could have been taken there by Sarmatian associates of
> the locals.
>There are any number of otherLike the Huns did? For starters, there are signs that the first
> explanations. One thing these bog swords do not even
> begin to prove is the "Odin migration" story. This
> "big event" would have left plenty of traces, not just
> a few bog swords.******
> > >And the new inhumation graves in the Przeworsk culture that are
> > > >When a
> > > > people migrates it leaves signs other than just
> > > > fibulae: gravesites with specific inventories,
> > > > settlements (sometimes).
> > >
> > > (Torsten) Mention some Hunnic settlements in
> > GK: The Huns were nomads. You didn't know
> > this?
> > (Torsten) Mention
> > > traits about
> > > Hunnic gravesite that allow us to identify them as
> > > Turkic.
> > GK: The point is that we do have many datable
> > Hunnic gravesites, and a great deal of additional
> > historical information which enables us to identify
> > them as basically Turkic.
> (Torsten)Let me see if I understand you here:
> The Huns were nomads and therefore would leave few
> *****GK: The Huns were nomads and therefore would not
> have left many "settlements"*****
> (Torsten) Sarmatians would have left many traces
> because they were not nomads?
> *****GK: Sarmatians left no "settlements" either. But
> both Huns and Sarmatians left gravesites.
>And in the final analysis subjective.
> >We have no "Odin people"
> > gravesites, and no reliable historical information
> > confirming Snorri's fanciful stories about Aesir and
> > Vanir.******
> (TOrsten)It seems 'reliable' is the operative word
> *****GK: It is a good word.*****
> > >
>Interpretation. Since Snorri is not reliable (which he isn't because
> *****GK: I'll make it simpler for you. The Almgren
> fibulae cannot be used to prove that an "Odin people"
> migrated from east of the Don into Central Europe,
> because these fibulae are not ethnically specific
> objects. They were originally manufactured in Olbia,
> Panticapaeum etc.. for "the barbarian market", and
> they found their way into many different ethnic
> hinterlands, Sarmatian, Germanic, Thracian, Baltic,
> Slavic. None of the actually existing gravesites where
> these fibulae were discovered can be associated with a
> group that would fit the characteristics of "the Odin