Re: [tied] Bader's article on *-os(y)o

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 32781
Date: 2004-05-19

On Wed, 19 May 2004 13:26:24 -0700 (PDT),
enlil@... wrote:

>Miguel:
>> *dá:m "house" > dóm-
>> G. *da:m-ás > *dámas > *déms.
>
>Um no. There are two coexisting roots for "house", one being
>athematic. Perhaps the athematic stem is reconstructable as a
>root noun *de:m-s, although 1,110 days ago Piotr cited *do:m.
>That post is located here...
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/7781

As I said: *dóm-.

If you want the full story: nom. *dom-z > *dó:m [?], acc.
*dóm-m > *dó:(:)m. In view of the regular phonological
(near-)merger of nominative and accusative also
reinterpreted as a neuter, NA *dó:m (also *dom).

>The other is thematic (*dómo-s).

And the other other is u-stem *domus.

>The athematic stem has genitive
>*demós whereas the stem *dems-, I figure, is only a contracted
>part of a compound *dems-potis "lord of the house". Contracted
>because the stress has been withdrawn from the true athematic
>genitive *demós onto the second stem *poti-.

You're wrong, of course: Ved. pátir dán, with two uda:tta's,
and *dems _following_.

>> The "dog" word seems to be a "collective", where the long
>> suffix vowel also causes stress retraction:
>>
>> nom. *k^awá:n-z > *k^wó:n
>> acc. *k^awá:n-m > *k^wónm.
>> gen. *k^awa:n-ás > *k^wéns ~ *k^úns (regularized to *kúnos
>> Ved. s'únas).
>
>Look, Miguel, it's one thing to have your own theories on preIE
>but quite another to lie about Reconstructed IE so blatantly to
>twist Rob's poor noodle. The genitive is just *kunós, period. It
>hasn't been "regularized" specifically in Vedic any more than it
>has in Greek where *kunos is also reflected for everyone to see).
>Plus, it has accent on the _final_ syllable, not the initial like
>you've typed, because it is an athematic stem and they tend to
>have wandering accents.

Look, jackass, the Vedic accent is on the first syllable,
exactly as I said. That makes the genitive *k^únos. I know
Greek has kunós, but the Vedic accent is the most reliable
(I don't know where EIEC gets Greek "kúnos" and Vedic
"s'unás", they are both wrong, AFAIK).


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