Re: [tied] Re: Syncope

From: enlil@...
Message: 31625
Date: 2004-03-31

Jens:
> So you use the term "quantitative ablaut" only about the
> interchange of *e and *e:?

No cafe nearby? Get a double espresso.

Quantitative ablaut is regular quantitative ablaut as
we normally define it in IE... but only when we're
talking about IE itself. Not every stage before it!
If you can't understand that, either someone else has
written all of your works or you are pretending to
be daft just to ennerve me. I'm so tired of you
twisting my words into some anti-IE statement when
everything I'm saying is in its defence!

New morphemes had no choice but to acquire accentual
allomorphy because that was the rule for ALL forms
even during postSyncope stages. No, not all suffixes
are dated to this time as you rant and it would be
helpful that you stop this emotional rhetoric. Please
try to paraphrase me more fairly next time.

In Mid IE, it is merely a reductionary ablaut without
the zerograding because Syncope hasn't happened yet.
Not hard to understand.


> I'm not getting through to you, [...]
> You are talking of new morphemes, i.e. morphemes with no
> allomorphy.

Have another espresso. Maybe this one will wake you up.

There are no morphemes without allomorphy, you crazy
fool. Think about it deeply, not superficially like
you normally treat my ideas.

If ablaut is an ubiquitous all-pervasive process, then
even new morphemes will have accentual allomorphy
because ablaut is a rule applied to ALL morphemes at
that stage. So a word that didn't follow this rule
would be like having an English word with a glottal
stop in it.

Now, I know that that's not the rule of Quantitative
Ablaut in IE itself, clearly when we have stems like
*suxnu- where a new rule has obviously developped
to tolerate such a stem.


> How could they acquire one?

Nope, I was wrong. We'll have to get the I.V. bag
out and percolate the coffee intervenously. Nurse,
200cc's...

Did you miss "strive/strove" and its French origin?
If you did, you must not know that French doesn't
alternate vowels like this so where did -o- come
from then, if your ornary brain can't accept that
ablaut can be a very long-term process in a language
that can apply to new words as well? Are you saying
that "strive" is a Germanic word instead just because
it alternates? I know I'm not. So what's the deal
with you?


= gLeN