Re: [tied] Question regarding the evolution of Albanians ç,q

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:58:14 +0000, alexandru_mg3 <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:

>Hello Piotr,

Piotr is still having problems with his PC. I'll try to answer some of the
questions.

>A. Reflexes of romanian c^ "ci" in Albanian-Romanian Common Words
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>
> 1. alb. ç,q <--> rom. c^
> =======================
> 1.a "ç" <--> "ci"
> ---------------------
> çok <--> cioc
> çukë <--> ciuca
> çufkë <--> ciuf
> çupis <--> ciupi

As far as I know, Albanian /ç/ is of no great antiquity. Pokorny's IEW
only lists a couple of Albanian words in ç-, most of wich continue the IE
prefix *dis-, which regularly gives Albanian *dsh-, written ç-.

The words above can thus not be ancient common substrate forms. Since no
glosses are provided, I can't easily determine if they are modern
Wanderwörte, onomatopoeic formations, borrowings from a third source (such
as Slavic), or merely chance resemblances.

> 1.b "q" <--> "ce"
> ---------------------
> qafë <--> ceafa
>
> lat. ericius - rom. arici - alb. iriq "hedgehog"
> lat. caepa - rom. ceapa - alb. qepë "onion"
> lat. caelum - rom. cer - alb. qiell "sky"
> lat. ceresia - rom. cireaSa - alb. qershi "(sweet)
>cherry"
> lat. draco - rom drac - alb. dreq "evil"
> lat. socium - rom. soT - alb. i shoqi "husband"
> lat. vecinus - rom. vecin - alb. fqinj "neighboor"

This is as expected. Latin /k/ merged with native Albanian /k/ (from PIE
*k), and both became <q> before front vowel.
Romanian has the standard Romance (except Dalmatian and Sardinian)
treatment of k + front vowel.

> 2. alb. s "s" <--> rom. c^ "ci"
> ===============================
> kësullë <--> caciula "kerchief"
> sorrë <--> cioara "crow"
>
> This is well indicated by Piotr : c^ -> c -> s

Yes.

> 3. alb. s^ "sh" <--> rom. c^ "ci"
> ==============================
> shut <--> ciut "hornless"
>
>This can also be explained by Piotr observation that c^->c->s was
>superposed with s->sh->s transformation

I don't think Piotr observed that.

>
> 4. alb. th "T" <--> rom. c^ "ci"
> ==============================
> thump <--> ciump
>
> Also an unexplained transformation that I already mention

I can't explain it either. What do thump and ciump mean?


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