Re: horst, karst

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Marco Moretti"
<marcomoretti69@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>

wrote:

> >
> > German <Horst>, Engl. <hurst> (supposedly different ablaut
> > grades) "elevated wooded terrain(?)" have no proper Germanic
> > etymology, I was wondering if there was a connection with German
> > Karst "water-eroded rocky landscape", Croatian and Slovene <Kras>
> > (note it does have metathesis), Italian <Carso>, from the name of

a

> > landscape in Slovenia. The wovels are short, so I would have to
> > conclude: "/o/ normal IE ablaut vocalism, /a/ from Nordwestblock
> > (migrated south)".
> >
> > Kuhn mentions -st- as an 'Old European' suffix in placenames, so

I

> > thought...? (Another example would be ON <naust> 'boathouse', the
> > *naw- 'boat' root occurs otherwise in ON only in Noa-tun.) But

the -

> t
> > might be added later, as in <Axt>, <jetzt> etc.
> >
> > Torsten
>
> This Karst is a clear substratum item, from a widespread root /kar-

/ -

> /gar-/ "rock, stone", found also in Basque /harri/. Nothing to do
> with IE.
>

So the Basques were in Slovenia too. I don't think even Vennemann has
that. And this the scholarly consensus etc?

Torsten