[tied] Re: Weeping (was: Latin pinso etc.)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:

> Richard Wordingham wrote:
> >
> > Do you know the Aromanian equivalent of _tuns_? Latin _tonsus_
> > should yield DR *tos. The other Romance languages are of little
> > help here. French _tondre_ 'to shear, to clip' has past

participle

> > _tondu_, and Italian has the iterative form _tosare_ < *tonsare,
> > albeit based on the past participle _tonsus_. Unsurprisingly the
> > Latin perfect _totondi:_ has no representation in Romanian; I

don't

> > think reduplicated perfects survive anywhere in Romance.
> >
> > Richard.
>
>
> So far I know the Arom. form is the same as in DR , namels "tuns" .
> Arom. name here "tunsulu", Dacorum. "tunsu"
>
> But one do not need to worry about these forms since they are

explained

> due analogy. It is worth to remember that the verb "tunde" in form

knows

> the forms with voiced "s" since there people use the "z"( of

course by

> Mr. Iacomy considered as "bad Romanian")
> Eu tunz, tu tunzi, sa tunzã etc. But I guess we discussed once

about

> these analogical forms with voiced "z" due analogy of the II pers.

sg.

> where d+(conj. stem for II sg)i > zi. prinde > prinzi, tunde >

tunzi,

> raspunde > raspunzi.. etc.

FWIW Latin 1s _tondeo:_ should yield Romanian _tunz_; I don't know
whether non-standard _tunz_ is a retention or another example of a
language almost going in circles. (If it is going in circles, the
sequence would be *tunzu, _tundu_, _tund_ (possibly), _tunz_, so
it's not an exact repeat of an earlier stage.)

http://www.dictionare.com/english/dictionary.htm is a very useful
dictionary. I particularly like the ability to see the complete
conjugation of a verb.

> Thus, contrary to that what Piotr means , it appears possible to

have

> nsV > nzV if the V = /i/,/i/,/y/

Unless by 'appear' you mean 'falsely appear', the above paragraph is
total gibberish. The vowel list makes no sense, either. What forms
did you have in mind? Bear in mind that for this word, the
Classical Latin principal parts are _tondeo:_, _tonde:re_,
_totondi:_, _to:nsum_. (FWIW, 'the rules' yield *tutunzi from
_totondi:_ - but *tutunde from 3s perfect _totondit_.) The
percentage rule for *guessing* the perfect would yield *tondi:, not
*tonsi:, and the regular perfect and past participle would be
*tondui:, *tonditus.

Richard.