Re: [tied] Torsten is a crackpot

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh
> <gknysh@...> wrote:
> > GK: "Crackpot" is too strong a word. Torsten
> is
> > closer to what mediaeval discussants might have
> called
> > a "proterviens". Someone with an utterly immovable
> > idee fixe who is ready to continue "debating" it
> 'till
> > kingdom come, no matter how thoroughly or how many
> > times it has been refuted. Which actually brings
> me to
> > my question. I was away from Cybalist for a few
> > months, involved in pressing matters. I do
> remember
> > that Torsten's basic idea (which is that Snorri
> > Sturluson's imagined 13th c. stories about the
> Aesir
> > and Vanir, Odin etc.) are an accurate depiction of
> > real events occurring at the turn of the Common
> Era,
> > was discussed at least twice (at least while I was
> > around= it may also have been discussed before)
> with
> > the greatest thoroughness, and rejected by
> everyone
> > involved in the debate (except him). When he
> persisted
> > in continuing to annoy people by restarting the
> debate
> > (with the very same arguments or arguments very
> > similar to those which had been refuted) he was
> told
> > in no uncertain terms by our moderator Piotr
> > Gonsiorowski to stop it, until he could come up
> with a
> > fresher perspective and some evidence for his idee
> > fixe. I guess I must have missed something. Has
> > Torsten actually come up with something new? If so
> > what is it? And I would like someone other than
> > Torsten to state what this is (:=)) If he has not,
> why
> > are we being deluged with the same
> inanities?
> > >
> > >
>
>
> (TP)If I recall correctly,

****GK: You don't of course, but what else is
new?*****

the last time GK hit the

> ceiling and asked
> Piotr to shut me up (which Piotr then proceeded to
> do), was when I
> pointed out that if I was right, all the trouble in
> Germania that
> ended with the demise of the Roman Empire would have
> been set in
> motion by someone from his own neighbourhood.

*****GK: Ad hominem innuendoes won't cut it either. I
respect Piotr greatly as a linguist, but he is not a
special friend of mine, and would not do me the
"favour" (or anyone else I think) to ask someone to
desist from flogging a dead horse endlessly (as you
were doing). Your unscientific stubbornness annoyed a
considerable number of people on this list, if I
remember correctly, and I don't remember a single
person rising to your defense. Enough was enough, and
still is.****

(TP)Now

> why is that so
> unacceptable?

*****GK: As you have been told over and over and over
and over and over (repeat a couple of hundred times
though that won't help ) there is not a shred of
historical, archaeological, or linguistic evidence to
back up Snorri's fairytales for the period in
question.******

>
> I have offered plenty of evidence,

*****GK: You have offered nothing at all. Every single
item of "proof" you ever offered was shot down.*****

or, rather, since

> you can't prove
> it, circumstantial evidence that would be explained
> by such a
> scenario.

*****GK: Since "I" can't prove it? Prove what? Now
you're becoming incoherent.*****

>
> And what is it that ticks you off this time?

That I

> ask Piotr of his
> opinion of the historical events around the
> glottogenesis of Proto-
> Germanic and you know that there is no way to get
> around the starting
> point of Thuringia, given the evidence I've
> presented, which is the
> _cinsensus_ opinion. In other words, you don't want
> the question of
> the geographical origin of the "new people" in
> Thuringia, using Roman
> weapons, solved?

*****GK: Are you saying that it is now the "consensus"
(on this list or anywhere) that proto-Germanic
originated in Thuringia in Caesar's time, and that it
arrived there from Snorri fairyland? Is that your
"new" position?*****

>
> Torsten
>
>
>

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