Re: [tied] Torsten is a crackpot

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:

> --- Marco Moretti <marcomoretti69@...> wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
> > <piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:
> > > 14-01-04 14:06, Marco Moretti wrote:
> > > > Hello all
> > > >
> > > > I think Torsten is a crackpot.
> > > > Why discuss about his raving?
> > >
> > > Marco,
> > >
> > > If any Cybalist member thinks another member is a
> > crackpot and his
> > or
> > > her postings should be moderated, please notify me
> > or one of the
> > other
> > > moderators off-list and don't post anything that
> > might be regarded
> > as
> > > insults. There is also a special auxiliary forum
> > (cybalist_admin)
> > for
> > > discussing such things.
> > >
> > > Piotr
> >
> > I'm sorry!
> >
> > I simply have a rage burst.
> >
> > Sincerely
> >
> > Marco
>
> *****GK: "Crackpot" is too strong a word. Torsten is
> closer to what mediaeval discussants might have called
> a "proterviens". Someone with an utterly immovable
> idee fixe who is ready to continue "debating" it 'till
> kingdom come, no matter how thoroughly or how many
> times it has been refuted. Which actually brings me to
> my question. I was away from Cybalist for a few
> months, involved in pressing matters. I do remember
> that Torsten's basic idea (which is that Snorri
> Sturluson's imagined 13th c. stories about the Aesir
> and Vanir, Odin etc.) are an accurate depiction of
> real events occurring at the turn of the Common Era,
> was discussed at least twice (at least while I was
> around= it may also have been discussed before) with
> the greatest thoroughness, and rejected by everyone
> involved in the debate (except him). When he persisted
> in continuing to annoy people by restarting the debate
> (with the very same arguments or arguments very
> similar to those which had been refuted) he was told
> in no uncertain terms by our moderator Piotr
> Gonsiorowski to stop it, until he could come up with a
> fresher perspective and some evidence for his idee
> fixe. I guess I must have missed something. Has
> Torsten actually come up with something new? If so
> what is it? And I would like someone other than
> Torsten to state what this is (:=)) If he has not, why
> are we being deluged with the same inanities?******
> >
> >

If I recall correctly, the last time GK hit the ceiling and asked
Piotr to shut me up (which Piotr then proceeded to do), was when I
pointed out that if I was right, all the trouble in Germania that
ended with the demise of the Roman Empire would have been set in
motion by someone from his own neighbourhood. Now why is that so
unacceptable?

I have offered plenty of evidence, or, rather, since you can't prove
it, circumstantial evidence that would be explained by such a
scenario.

And what is it that ticks you off this time? That I ask Piotr of his
opinion of the historical events around the glottogenesis of Proto-
Germanic and you know that there is no way to get around the starting
point of Thuringia, given the evidence I've presented, which is the
_cinsensus_ opinion. In other words, you don't want the question of
the geographical origin of the "new people" in Thuringia, using Roman
weapons, solved?

Torsten