Re: Vanir,etc.

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Marco Moretti"
<marcomoretti69@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>

wrote:

> > > > Or it is the kingdom of Vani. That was not so difficult?
> > >
> > > If your theory were true, we should find some Kartvelian
> substratum
> > > items in Germanic. But we found nothing similar! I analyzed in
> > depth
> > > hundreds of bizarre non-IE Germanic roots, succeeding only few
> > times
> > > in getting some useful matchup with something else.
> >
> > And did you try matching with Kartvelian?
> > Here's one for you: Iranian V&r&Tragna > Georgian Vakhtang,
> Armenian
> > Vahagn > Odin's name Vegtam; Vangiones; <Wagnijo> in Runic

(weapon

> > find), the PN Vagn in Danish.
>
> I tried and I failed. There's nothing useful. Your matchups are
> inconsistent.

And I which way, pray tell?

>We can explain these words without Kartvelian
> connections.

Yeah, like Vani.

> > >Even Basque comparison is not productive.
> >
> > I think Rick McAllister believed otherwise; unfortunately his

site

> is
> > defunct and I can't find my paper copy.
>
> I read something about attempts of Basque comparison, but I'm still
> not convinced. Perhaps there are two or three Wanderwo"rter and
> possibly some other links. But all is very difficult.
>
> > >So I dismiss any idea of connecting Vanir with something
> Kartvelian.
> >
> > Did you try, or is it the same story as with your dialectal
> Georgian
> > <wani> "home" that suddenly appeared out of a denial?
>
> This dialectal Georgian is quoted from Starostin.
>

Why are you dodging the question?

> > I think Herodotus mentioned some campaign in the Caucasus where
> they
> > had to bring 100 interpreters. Ubykh recently died out. How do

you

> > know that there are not cognates from a lost Caucasian language

in

> > Germanic?
>
> I remember 150 interpreters. But you must know that North Caucasian
> lanugages are not related with Kartelian. Ubykh is a North West
> Caucasian language, similar to Georgian like Chinese is similar to
> German.

I know. We have no guarantee that the common language of Vani was
Kartvelian. Heyerdahl has suggested Udi, supposedly the descendant of
(Caucasian) Albanian.

>You seem to ignore this and to consider the whole Caucasus as
> a monolothic linguistic entity.

Yes, that would be convenient for you if I did, oh fount of wisdom.
But I don't.

>I try connections between pre-IE
> Germanic and North Caucasian, and I got some results, but the

whole

> question is complicated by absence of regular phonetic
> correspondences (perhaps there were different languages in the
> Germanic substratum).

I just saw 'heteroglossos' used of an army by some ancient Greek
writer.

So you did find some matches for the Germanic substratum in the
Caucasus, but still tried to take the moral high ground when I
claimed the same? I think I'll abstain from commenting on that little
prank.

Torsten