Re: IE Creoles? (was: Middle English Plurals)

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Wordingham"
> <richard.wordingham@...> wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "P&G" <petegray@...> wrote:
> > > > > Tok Pisin survived. If it hadn't been for increased

literacy

> in
> > > > > English and French many more of their creoles would have
> > survived.
> > > > > Why did all the IE creoles disappear then?
> > > >
> > > > We're into speculation here, which is likely to be

unproductive

> > in
> > > the end.
> > > > But we might in passing note that modern Creoles have

survived -

>
> > > what - 200
> > > > years? You're talking 3000 or so with PIE creoles.
> >
> > Would there have been IE creoles?
>
> >Are there any Russian-based creoles?
>
> Russenorsk.
>
>
> >Are there any creoles in China?
>
> Supposedly that's where the name Pidgin came from.
> "Long time no see?" Bu shi > bovine excrement.

There are many creoles in China and elsewhere. In Papua a new formed
English-based creole is rapidly replacing native languages. In Brazil
there was Lingua Geral, formed by three quarters of Amerindian words
and from a quarter of Portuguese. I found interesting stuff on a
creole Basque language used in Iceland by fishers.
In the remote prehistory any protolanguage could be a creole language.
Even Larry Trask admit it.

Marco