Re: [tied] Re: PIE's closest relatives

From: Glen Gordon
Message: 29365
Date: 2004-01-11

Richard:
>It mite also be productiv if yoo (i.e. Glen) identified hwat yoo
>consider dhe irregular changeyonk in the development of Semitic
>*weru:-?arDi too PIE *?roudH (conventionally written *h1reudH).
>(Following yoor lead, I hav changed dhe spelling ruleyonk in sum
>placeyonk whare dhey doo not reflect eny reality.)

Cute. There are no irregular changes. The stem is technically
*?reudH- in the default e-grade but we have *?roudH-o-s in an
attested derivative following a stative pattern. They call it qualitative
ablaut, I hear :P We also find zeroed *?rudH- too in Greek
/erythros/.

I would think that the MIE form was eraud&, only to later succumb
to nativization and ablaut changes. Initial vowels in MIE imply
initial *[?-]. PIE *h1, being *[h] medially, was the same in MIE.
So *[?] complements *[h] in initial positions but is completely
automatic before an initial vowel, being not a distinct phoneme.
Initial consonant clusters were disallowed in MIE. So unaccented
*[?]er- regularly becomes LIE *?r-. Everything between MIE and
PIE is regular.

As for Semitic, as I said, I'm unsure where Akkadian /eru:/ comes
from. However, Semitic seems like a logical intermediary between
Sumerian and IE for this word. Any direct contact is out of the
question and should be pursued on a fantasy sci-fi forum. My
suggestion is only a suggestion I think is worth pursuing for an
otherwise answerless problem.


= gLeN

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