Re: [tied] Gmc. Place-names & the Pas-de-Calais [was: Transhumance]

From: tgpedersen
Message: 29226
Date: 2004-01-08

>
> > In some cases, there are parallel formations south and
> > north of the straits of Dover, cf Berningahem (844/64),
> > Birmingham (Derolez 1974:11)

Sorry, typo. 'Berningahem', should be 'Bermingahem'; now it should
make more sense.

>
> Probably not directly parallel. <Barlinghem> (<Berningahem>
> ca.850) appears to be from <Berno>, while <Birmingham> is
> generally thought to contain *<Beorma>, probably a pet form
> of <Beornmund>. A direct parallel to the P-de-C name is
> English <Barningham>, found in Norfolk (<Berningeham> DB),
> Suffolk (<Bernincham> DB, <Berningeham> ca.1095), and
> Yorkshire North Riding (<Berningham> DB, <Bernigeham> 1214).
>
> > [So there might have been a relation between the two
> > places during the Anglo-Saxon colonisation. Question: was
> > English Birmingham a center of expansion and conquest
> > then?].
>
> Unlikely; it was a pretty insignificant manor at the time of
> Domesday Book.
>

Much later, so inconclusive. I still think it unlikely that in the
general turmoil of the landnám there were two separate groups that
identified themselves as 'Beormingas', that would have been
unpractical, to say the least.

Torsten