From: tgpedersen
Message: 29010
Date: 2004-01-02
> On Tue, Dec 30, 2003, at 01:13 PM, tgpedersen wrote:Let
>
> > Guess what, you guys: you _still_ haven't answered the question.
> > me sharpen it a bit: Do you know for certain that thesepastoralist
> > traditions and glosses (are any of them derivable from Latin?)don't
> > go back to pre-Roman times?Now you're talking! Thanks.
>
> Of course they go: the world didn't spontaneously start
> to exist only with the advent of the representatives
> of the overlords in Latium, Campania, Lucania, Etruria.
>
> > I think there was agreement in cybalist at one time that the
> > Romanian language spread from the mountains (Carpathians)
> > where it had survived the Slav invasions.
>
> Perhaps there (in some SW regions) too, but certainly and
> rather in a broader South Danubian area (esp. in the
> provinces Dacia mediterranea, Dacia ripensis, Moesia
> superior; then in Pannonia, Dardania, Macedonia & Thrace)
> as well. Namely in regions that for further cent's continued
> to be Eastern "Romania" both after the official represen-
> tatives plus various kinds of "civilians" left (northern)
> Dacia Felix for good toward the end of the 3rd c., and
> after Odowakar terminated the official Western "Romania"
> (2 centuries later).
>
> > Is this pastoralist tradition a relic of that time?
>
> IMHO, this Spring-Fall movements (the transhumance)
> are not only a tradition virtually all over the world,
> but they are a... must. AFAIK, it's also characteristic
> of most of Altaic and Uralic populaces within the
> frame of pastoral economy (as opposed to agriculture
> economy; Viehzucht vs Landwirtschaft). I don't know
> how it was (is) in Skandinavia, but have a look at
> the vast region of the Alps: an entire ancient peasant
> culture based on "Almauftrieb & Almabtrieb" (with the
> difference that it seemingly reaches even higher
> altitudes esp. in Austria, Switzerland, Italy, France
> than in the Yugo, Bulgaria, Romania & Slovakia similar
> mountaineous regions).