Re: [tied] Dirty words [Was: etyma for =?UNKNOWN?Q?Cr=E3ciun=2C?= Ro

28-12-03 19:41, alex wrote:

> noroi, nãmol, mâl (reg. nomol), mocirlã (marsh), glod, tinã, im and
> maybe there are som more but I guess it should be a paar of examples for
> showing that there are a lot of such words and maybe it is very
> innteresting their origin.OK, let us say, what the accepted etymology
> for these words are:
> noroi= cf DEX from Bulgarian "naroj"
> nãmol/nomol= from Ukrainean "namil", "namolu"
> mâl= compare with Ukjarinean "mul"
> mocirlã=compare with Bulgarian "moc^lo"
> glod= 1) compare with Hungarian "galad"; 2) Russian "gluda"
> tinã= from Slavic "tina"
> im= from Latin "limus"
>
>
> So, how we see, there are a lot, a lot of words for expriming one and
> the same notion, thus, some of them _must_ be loan-words- Now, I should
> like you to give your opinion about what looks as being Slavic here.

I can't find fault with the orthodox etymologies. Most of them are
certainly Slavic loans; there's no need to restrict oneself to Ukrainian
or Builgarian, since these words have cognates elsewhere. For example,
we have both <mul/> and <namul/> in Polish (the latter = the former with
a Slavic prefix); perhaps the base is ultimately Germanic, but <nãmol>
at least can have been borrowed only from Slavic. The distribution of
*moc^arU 'bog, marsh, fen' (--> Hung. mocsár, Alb. moçal) from *moc^iti
'make wet' (*mokno~ti 'get wet') is pan-Slavic, and the Bulgarian
derivative <moc^urlak> fits the Romanian form quite closely.

Piotr