Re: etyma for

From: g
Message: 28833
Date: 2003-12-28

On Sun, Dec 28, 2003, at 04:08 PM, m_iacomi wrote:

>> 2) Latin "ti" does not become "ci" in DacoRom.;
>
> Of course it does before stressed "io", "iu". We've already
> discussed that but the information failed to leave a seizable
> trace in your RAM.

E.g. <tãciune> "carbonized piece of wood" < Lat. titio,
via *titionem / <Rãpciune> "September" < raptionem.

Methinks, whether <creationem>, or not, the initial
variant in Romanian might've been <crãciune>, which
with definite article is <crãciunele>. Afterwards
it might have changed to <crãciun>/<crãciunul>.
<perciune> "sidewhiskers."

<tãciunele> has stayed so. I ain't aware of the
of any *<tãciunul>; although this kind of -ciunul
*could* also be okay, provided that there were enough
thousands of native-speakers to opt for it.

OTOH, this kind of -tionem > -ciune is rather feminine
(unlike the examples above): <urîciune, bãbãciune>.
(There existed attempts of extending the Romanian
[tS(j)une] to neologisms ending in <-tion/em>, but
there was a majority who opted for the pronuncia-
tions ['-tzi-e] & [tzi-'u-ne], e.g. <obligatzie/obli-
gatziune, natzie/natziune/ natzionalitate, receptzie,
conceptzie, creatzie, informatzie> etc.

George