m_iacomi wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" wrote:
>
>> S & L wrote:
>>
>>> P.S. Slavic etymon is the only possible since the word is found
>>> in Slavic, Hungarian and Romanian.
>>> So, for you, each word found in Slavic, Hungarian and Romanian
>>> has an Slavic etymon ?
>
> On this case, the most probable origin is Balkan Romance. The
> ultimate etymon is Latin "creationem" (acc. of "creatio, -onis",
> as in "dies creationis Christi"; cf. also Alb. "kershëndellë" <
> "Christi natalis"), it was early adopted by Slavs with the original
> meaning `Christmas` but also with extended sense, including other
> festive moments of the year. Hungarian got the word with Slavic
> phonetism. Some Slavic influence on Romanian cannot be excluded
> but it's not compulsory to explain the word.
I have trouble with the "creatio, -onis" because of more aspects. So far
I remember the term "creatio-" is not inherited in Rom. for this one
there being a simple translation into Rom. which is "facere". For "Birth
of Jesu" there is never used "Craciunul lui Isus", either "facerea lui
Isus" but "NaSterea Domnului/lui Isus", thus the expresion "dies
creationis Christi" is _very_ specific in Rom. church terminology which
is "Ziua NaSterii Domnului(Isus Christos)"
Speaking about phonetic aspect we have the final Latin "i" which is
supposed to give "u" which again doesn't work ( but we can trick it a
bit with "i"= plural stem , changing to "u", also crãciuni-> craciunu as
later in soru-> sora), we need a monoftongation of "ea" to "a" or "e"
(the question remains:why should took place this monoftongation ?)and we
have the "ti" > "c^i".
You mentioned even the Aromanins forms with "c^i" which speaks for
something very special by tzhis word something which determined the
Aromanians to do not apply their well-working rule of /c^i/ > /Ti/ in
their dialect to this word.
BTW, If you ask me about some examples where Latin "ti" > "c^i" in DR, I
won'T be able to give you ad hoc some example. Can it be you have some
there for underlining this rule of "ti" > "c^i"? You mentioned already
my bad RAM, I will try to put it on HD by now:-))
> Marius Iacomi
Alex