[tied] Re: IE prefix "*s"

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:

> On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 21:25:16 +0100, Piotr Gasiorowski
> <piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:
>
> >The *s of *(s)upo- and *(s)uper- is
> >believed to be a case of "*s mobile". However, if we simply count

the

> >votes, it turns out that Lat. sup- gets no real support (or shall

I say

> >upport?) from elsewhere and may represent an Italic idiosyncrasy,

while

> >*s-less forms occur rather widely.
>
> The s- of super- is I think analogical after <sub> "under". But

where did

> that s- come from? EIEC (under "UP") mentions a *s-

h4upó "underneath" Lat.

> sub "under", animalia suppa "animals (on all fours)" [..], Arm

hup "near",

> ToB spe "near", Hitt. suppala- "animal". The only reference given

is GI

> (Gamkrelidze & Ivanov) p. 104.
>
> I prefer Pokorny's explanation *<ex-upo> > <sub>. "Out from

under", "out

> from behind" et sim. are concepts that merit their own preposition

in a

> number of languages (e.g. Polish <spod> and my favourite, <zza>).
>
> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal

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I just did a Google search for "laryngeals" + "h4", and came up
with one relevant hit -- Cybalist 4672 by a certain Miguel
Carrasquer Vidal (to whom, by the way, I apologize for my lapse
yesterday with "droog"). Would you get the h4 story out in open?
What's EIEC for that matter.
Dan