Re: [tied] numeral ( it was Romanian Swadesh list -> 10% substratua

10-12-03 06:40, alex wrote:

> Eureka, you got it! But.... hmmm..., take a look at all the monosilabic
> Latin words which ends in "s" and their reflex in Dalmatian, Italian,
> Romanian. I will note with "T" there where "Vs" > i" with "F" there
> where not in all 3 EastRomance. Further , I will note with "-" the
> missing word in a certain language and with "!" the word which is
> derived from oblique case of Latin word
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Latin Italian Vegliot Romanian
> ---------------------------------------------
> nos noi noi noi
> vos voi voi voi
> tre tre tra trei
> rex re ra -
> pes piede ! pi -
> plus piu ple -
> bos bue bu bou!
> six sei si Sase
> nix neve ! nai nea!
> ----------------------------------------------

Explaining this will take some time and I'm in a hurry now, so I'll
return to this later (maybe Miguel, George or Marius can enlighten you
in the meantime). Let me just tell you in advance that you're _very_ naive.

> nos > noi with "i" as being the marker for plural
> vos > voi with "i" like in "noi"
> tres > trei with "i" as marker for plural.
>
> Now, I am sorry Piotr but "where the palatal glide represents the
> _regular_ weakening and vocalisation of _final /-s/_ in monosyllabic
> words " is unnormal for Rom. You say you are not a Romanist, Rosetti was
> one. Beside the 3 example, noi, voi trei, from the table I draw here,
> the examples speak for or against your idea.

Actually, as you might have noticed (not that you did), I explained
<trei> in this way myself yesterday, just like Rosetti, so I could call
it "my idea" as well. I'm still think I was right about <doi> as *do-i
because of <două> from *do-e. But Miguel has convinced me that this
solution is less likely for Eastern Romance '3', despite the
Franco-Occitan parallels. Whatever the truth, Rosetti ALSO DERIVES ALL
THOSE FORMS FROM LATIN, not from "Thracian space" or Atlantis.

Piotr