Re: Dacian - /H/ -> seems possible

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:

> On Sun, 07 Dec 2003 18:03:33 +0100, Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...>

wrote:

>
> >As Piotr said: "So far, you've only given us an alphabetic
> >list of ancient "Illyrian" placenames, showing that their

phonological

> >form has been transformed by Albanian sound changes. Well, that's

what

> >we should expect anyway, since the sound changes in question are
> >post-Roman and would have affected any word borrowed during the

early

> >Middle Ages."
>
> The kind of evidence that should be resented would be to show that a
> particular Illyrian word or, more likely, name, has undergone the

kind of

> changes that affected Albanian between the time of PIE and the time

of the

> earliest Latin loans.
>
> Piotr has already mentioned a couple of the relevant criteria:
>
> >For example,
> >if a phonetic process regularly affects Latin loanwords in

Albanian (as

> >well as inherited words, early loans from Greek, etc.), it must

have

> >been productive at the time of borrowing or still more recently.
> >Examples include the change of au > a, the vocalisation and loss

of

> >intervocalic voiced stops, such changes as s > sh and j- > (*z^-)
> gj-,
> >and Tosk rhotacism. If, however, a process operates regularly in
> >inherited words but never in loans from Latin (e.g. the merger of

*a and

> >*o, or the change of *sk > h), its operation must have predated

Albanian

> >contacts with Balkan Latin.
>
> So here we already have 7 soundlaws classified according to the

criteria

> EARLY (o > a, sk > h) and LATE (au > a, -D- > -0-, s > sh, j- > gj-

, -n- >

> -r- (T)).
>
> Taking Beekes' list of Albanian soundlaws (pp. 261-267), what can

be said

> about the periodization of the other ones?
>
> 1) -VDV- > -V (D=voiced stop) LATE
> 2) C1C2 > C2 (C1,C2=stop)
> 3) CN > N (C=stop, N=nasal)
> 4) NT > ND
> 5) NS > S
> 6) VnV > VrV (Tosk) LATE
> 7) an > ën (Tosk) LATE
> 8) *ty, *k^y > s; *d(h)y > z
> 9) *kWe > se; *g(h)We > ze
> 10) merger voiced asp./unasp.
> 11) *k^ > th; *g^(h) > d(h)
> 12) *k^w > s; *g^(h)w > z
> 13) *k^l- > q; *g^l- > gj-
> 14) sk > h EARLY
> 15) s > sh LATE
> 16) s- > gj-
> 17) -s > 0; sd(h) > dh; sw > w
> 18) sp > f
> 19) sw > d
> 20) r > rr
> 21) l > ll; sl > ll
> 22) -nj > -j
> 23) r. > ri
> 24) wl. > ul
> 25) m. > a
> 26) y- > gj-
> 27) -y- > 0
> 28) w- > v-
> 29) -w- > 0
> 30) i > e before a:
> 31) u > y before i
> 32) i: > i
> 33) u: > y
> 33) -u: > -i
> 34) e > je
> 35) je > ja
> 36) je > i
> 37) o > a EARLY
> 38) a > e before i
> 39) e: > o
> 40) a: > o
> 41) o > ua/va/vo
> 41) o: > e
> 42) ei > i
> 43) ai/oi > e
> 44) eu > e
> 45) au/ou > a LATE
> 46) au- > ve-
>
>
> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> mcv@...

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Thank a lot for this table of Albanian soundlaws, because I have a
terrible lack of literature. So, my guessing that PIE /*sp/ > /f/ is
correct. I thank also Piotr, by whom I was backed partially and,
especially, Torsten Pedersen.

Konushevci