Re: PIE *kseubh

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alex" <alxmoeller@...> wrote:

> Abdullah Konushevci wrote:
> >>
> >> I wonder if there is more lexical material in Albanian for seing

how

> >> there the PIE *kseubh developed beside "shapi".
> >>
> >> Alex
> > ************
> > *ghos-ti `stranger, guest `someone with whom one has reciprocal
> > duties of hospitality'
> > As aspirated velar, as aspirated palatal, seems to yield in

Albanian

> > dental /d/: g^heim - > dimër `winter', *g^hord- > dardhë `pear',
> > *g^he:ra: > dorë and, in our case, *ghos-ti > Alb. <me dashtë>
> > infinitive of the verb <due/dua> `to love', <dashamirë> `well-
> > wishing, well-meaning'. But suffixed zero-grade form *ghs-en- >

Alb.

> > < i huej/i huaj `stranger' < *ghson < *ghse:n (cf. Greek
> > <ksenos> `id.)
> > I think that PIE root *kseubh- `to sway, to swing' will derive in
> > Albanian, in best case, <hep> `crack' (*sk > h, *eu >e) and zero-
> > grade form *skub- > hup `to lose' or nasalized form <humb> `id.',
> > until <shap> I think is of Turkish origin <shab> `thrush' and

can't

> > be of Slavic oirgin, because we are not aware of any case where
> > Slavic /s/ yields in Albanian /sh/.
> >
> > Konushevci
>
>
> Wait a moment please. I understand that for Alb. "shapi" (lizard)

which

> is seen as cognate with Rom. "sopârlã"(lizard) you have an another
> etymology as PIE *kseubh ? If yes, which is this one?
>
> My question is meaning more here because of this "S" in Rom.

and "sh" in

> Alb ,"S" in Rom. and "gj" in Alb.
> See: gjarpër - Sarpe; gjash(të)-Sase; shapi-Sop(ârla).
> At least for all 3 here in Rom is a constante, meaing s+ front vowel
> gave as expected "S"; Albanian shows different sounds here and this

is

> where I try to find out what about why once we have the equivalence

S=gj

> and once S=sh
>
> Alex

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Dear Alex,
We have in Albanian <shap-1> 'mineral salt' very similar (white) to
sugar, so there is idiom <m'e nda shapin prej sheqerit> 'to make
distinction between two simiral things'. It is believed that is from
Latin origin <sapa> 'id.'.
Other <shap-2> 'Aphta epizootica', related to Rom. Soparla 'lizard' I
think that is from Turkish <shab> 'id.' and has nothing to do with
Rom. Soparla.

Regards,
Konushevci