Re: [tied] Re: Scatology and coprolalia (was: Expletives)

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 27722
Date: 2003-11-27

On Thu, 27 Nov 2003 16:22:36 +0100, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

>27-11-03 13:23, Miguel Carrasquer wrote:
>> *k^okWros is reflected in Greek kópros. In view of Skt. s'ákr.t, s'aknás,
>> the PIE form is perhaps better reconstructed as an r/n-stem *k^okWr.(t),
>> *k^ékWnos.
>I know. I just exercised my IE right to thematise things, and
>*tauro-k^okWros sounded, if not smelt, better :-)
>> EIEC is probably wrong in suggesting a doublet *k^ókWr ~ *sók^r. This
>> latter form is based there on ON skarn, OE scearn, Latv. sa:rn,i, OCS
>> sIrati (verb), Russ sor (noun),
>The Balto-Slavic forms don't seem good to me. EIEC doesn't comment on
>any of the problems they present. In Slavic, *k^s > s, but there's no
>contrast between reflexes of *sk and *sk^ (for all I know, the contrast
>may have been neutralised already in PIE).

Or we have s-mobile. *k^or-os > sor, *k^r-a:-ti: > sIrati.
I *had* noticed Latvian a:, which cannot be from o:.

>I still wouldn't rule out *sok(^)r.(t) (I have doubts about the
>"satemisable" stop, since there are no convincing Satem cognates), from
>which we can derive (*skor-h2 >) *sko:r as a regular collective
>formation. Heteroclitic weak cases based on *sk(e)n- go well with both.


>> The root *k^ókWr-/*k^ekWn- suggests an origin in something like
>> **ka(:)k(k)u- + -an-, and this expressive formation was recreated many
>> times (MIr. caccaid, Lat. caca:re, Grk. kakkao:, Russ. kákat', Du. kakken,
>> all verbal, Arm k`akor "excrement").
>> The true bovine excrement is represent by the fourth root listed in EIEC,
>> *gWuH-, with variants *gWuh1tós (Arm. ku, Av. gu:Ta-, Skt. gu:tha-), German
>> Kot < qua:t < *gW(w)e(:)h1-dho- and Slavic govIno (*gWowh1-no-?).
>I think the last item is simply *gWow- plus the adjective-forming suffix
>*-ino-, very productive in Slavic. PIE cows left few traces in
>Proto-Slavic, but they did leave plenty of cowpats.

We still have the other words suggesting a laryngeal (I'd say *(e)h1) added
to *gWow- "cow". Is the stative of "cow" bullshit?

Miguel Carrasquer Vidal