Re: Expletives (was Re: [tied] All of creation in Six and Seven)

From: Glen Gordon
Message: 27703
Date: 2003-11-27

>*k^okWros is reflected in Greek k�pros. [...]

Thanks. So it's a heteroclitic inanimate that's been thematized in Greek.
Got it.

>A form *(s)k^�r- instead suggests a link with the third excrement noun
>listed in EIEC, *kerd- [...] The problem is that these words point to *k
>(Iranian *kHVr- or *krV-?), while *sk^or- has *k^.

Not a problem necessarily if we regard terms pertaining to excrement as
prone to "emphatic" phonetics. If *k^ = *k and *k = *q, then we are really
comparing *(s)kor- with *qerd-. The latter would be a form with the initial
velar stop modified to a "harsher" uvular to better reflect the foul nature
the word. This solution is further reinforced by the relative scarcity of *q
in comparison with *k (*k^), before *e.

>The root *k^�kWr-/*k^ekWn- suggests an origin in something like
>**ka(:)k(k)u- + -an-, [...]

If it's worth anything, I'd say that it would have to derive more
from a MIE form *kakWen. This would regularly yield the desired *kokWr
since *a > *o (Late IE Vowel Shift) and *-en > -n > -r (Heteroclitic). From
there, it would have to be analysed as a bare root *kakWe plus the
inanimate *-en (> *-r) used many times elsewhere. So *kakWe would have
to have a proto-Steppe form *kaku (Steppe *k neighbouring *u becomes IE

Strangely we're at a consensus.

= gLeN

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