Re: [tied] Re: Pre-Germanic speculation

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 26845
Date: 2003-11-03

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Subject: [tied] Re: Pre-Germanic speculation

>> What speaks against a derivation from something like
>> */herun�o:/, related to ON <hjarni> 'brain' and <horn>
>> 'horn' and signifying something like '[rock-]topped'?

> Is there some relation to the Charudes (cf. Hard Syssel, West
> Jutland), mentioned in the Monumentum Ancyranum as geographically
> close to the Cimbri (but Ariovist was relocating them in Gaul)?

The name of the Harudes (Charudes) is usually regarded as connected with OHG
hard ~ hart, OSax. hard, OE *harad ~ *hara� (extracted from toponyms)
'forest, woodland' (originally perhaps a mountain forest), possibly derived
from *k^os-, one of the PIE terms for 'pine' (cf. Slavic sosna). The
Germanic protoform was perhaps a dental stem (EIEC *k^os-dHh1-o- doesn't
appear plausible), but a detailed analysis is difficult because of the
paucity of the comparative data.

Piotr